First off, I want to say that I absolutely LOVE the Webb GI Bill, I think it’s something that veterans have sorely needed and I’m glad that it passed and will be put into effect for the Fall of 2009. This is probably the most important piece of legislation for vets since the original Montgomery GI Bill. With that said, I personally have some issues with it.
To give you some background on where I stand, I am a veteran who served in the Marine Corps from 2000 to 2004. I was forward deployed with the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit when 9/11 happened, however my unit was not sent to Afghanistan, rather we participated in humanitarian operations in East Timor. In 2003, my unit was part of the inital invasion of Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom. We were deployed to Kuwait in February of that year, crossed the border into Iraq as one of the lead units on March 21st, and returned home in August of that year (I spent 189 days in theater, 136 days of which were in Iraq itself). After about eight months back in the States, I went on terminal leave in mid-April of 2004, and hit my EAS on June 11th of that year.
By the time I got my DD-214, I was already enrolled and taking classes at Long Beach City College in Long Beach, CA. I completed my transfer requirements and AA degree in Liberal Arts in December of 2005. To support myself during this time, I received the old Chapter 30 GI Bill, which paid between $880 and $1150 per month (depending on the number of credits I was taking). During my first 12 months of civilian life, I received California Unemployment Insurance (roughly $1200 a month), and after the that, worked at the local VA Hospital as part of the VA Work-Study program (which paid minimum wage of $6.75/hr and limited me to 25 hours per week during the semester). Living in Long Beach, California, was not cheap. For a small, old, one-bedroom in a bad part of town I paid $695 and later $725 per month. I also had to pay utility costs and maintain an internet connection, as well as maintain my car. At city college, I did not pay tuition (I received the Governor’s Fee Waiver due to my low income) but did pay my own books and other fees. I did not receive any student loans or any government financial aid at that time. After I completed my transfer requirements, I spent an extra semester at City College in order to take classes towards a possible transfer to the University of Southern California, however the tuition costs there were prohibitive and I ended up applying to California State University, Long Beach.
In the summer of 2006, after I had finished the spring semester at City and had not yet begun to take classes at CSULB, I was unable to continue with the Work-Study program at the VA and was also not drawing GI Bill benefits, leaving me with only $210 per month in VA disability payments (my rating was 20% at the time). I took a temporary office job which ended up being permanent, and so I worked a full-time job from June of 2006 until I graduated in May of 2008. At CSULB, I was charged tuition, but also was eligible for federally-subsidized loans and grants, which I accepted. I also continued to use my Chapter 30 GI Bill benefits and maintained full-time or 3/4 time enrollment for two years. In April of 2007, my landlord refused to renew my lease and I had to move to another apartment. I found another one-bedroom in the same neighborhood for $925/month, as market conditions had caused rents in the area to skyrocket. I also purchased a new car in September of 2006, after my old Ford Escort had become completely unreliable. By the summer of 2007, my financial needs had increased significantly. I was unable to change jobs or take less hours, as I needed my income from work in order to pay my rent, utilities and car note, as well as keep up with the skyrocketing price of gas and groceries. My GI Bill benefits ran out in December of 2007, so I spent my final semester at State without the income of the GI Bill, relying on another Stafford loan to make up the difference. In May of 2008, less than four years after my separation from the Marine Corps, I graduated from Long Beach State with my BA in history and a 3.7 GPA in upper-division studies.
So, I’m a success story, right? Thanks! Problem is, the same month I graduated, they passed the new Webb GI Bill. All my headaches about paying rent and utilities would have been non-existent if I had been able to get the Webb GI Bill. I also could have afforded an apartment much closer to school or to work and conserved on my commuting costs (not to mention not having to duck bullets in my own living room). I would have been able to attend a UC school instead of a CSU school (big difference), as the Webb GI Bill would have paid the difference. I would have been able to focus more on school and not had to carry a full-time job, which could have been the difference between me getting mostly A’s and me getting straight A’s. But I’m not bitter. In fact, I’m happy. I called the VA to ask about the program, and they tell me that the new GI Bill is a 48 month entitlement, and so I will have 12 months of further entitlement. Wow, that’s great, can I use it for grad school? Yes, I was told I can. So, I go online to see what’s what, as I am intending to attend grad school starting in Fall of next year (when the new GI Bill goes into effect). And what do I find??
IV. I have used part or all of my education benefits. What is my eligibility for Chapter 33 (the new, post-9/11 GI Bill)?
Veterans eligible under chapter 33 (the new, post-9/11 GI bill) are generally entitled to 36 months of educational assistance. Veterans who have previously attended school on other forms of the GI Bill, such as Chapter 30 (MGIB), Chapter 1607 (REAP) or Chapter 1606 (Select Reserve GI Bill), may still qualify for the new benefits.
Usage of Chapter 30 (MGIB) benefits is counted directly against the 36 month total of Chapter 33 (post-9/11) benefits. For example, if a veteran attended school on Chapter 30 (MGIB) for nine months and then elects to use Chapter 33 (post-9/11) that veteran will have 27 months of remaining eligibility.
That was what I found on www.gibill2008.org, a website that appears to be run by Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA). WTF?!?!?! What happened to 48 months?
Okay so maybe I’m being a bit greedy here. I got my education, right? Maybe so. But I don’t think having my sights set on a graduate degree is greedy. The fact is, this new GI Bill was to benefit post 9/11 vets, especially those who fought in Afghanistan and Iraq. I fought in Iraq, in fact I’m drawing disability for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder because of all the bad shit I saw in combat in Iraq! And you’re saying that a guy who served at the Coast Guard small boat station in San Diego that whole time, who never saw combat a day in his life, can now get out and get a FULL RIDE to the public university of his choice, while I have to scratch and claw for grad school after scratching and clawing for four years of undergrad? If I had access to this Webb GI Bill I would have had four years of top-notch UCLA or UCSD or UC Berkeley education, which could have set me up for a shot at fellowships for grad school. Instead I had the old GI Bill, which HELPED while I worked my way through four years of very good education at Long Beach City College and CSU Long Beach, which I’m very happy with, but doesn’t help me in competing for spots at grad schools, much less fellowships. Am I ungrateful? No. I’m glad I had the benefits I had, otherwise I probably would have ended up not going to school at ALL. But now, here I am, looking at people who slacked off after they got out and worked as bouncers at strip clubs while living at home with mom and dad, and they’re getting to reap the rewards. Meanwhile, I get nothing because I had my shit together and got through college in my first four years after EAS, instead of going back to my podunk hometown and drinking myself stupid with old high school buddies. I ask you, is that fair? I’m not saying I want the housing money to be back paid. I’m not saying I want my loans paid off (although I will take that!). No, I’m just asking for the new GI Bill to be 48 months, let me get 12 months of it, help me get through a year of graduate school without needing to work full time, and I GUARANTEE you will see a veteran with a Master’s Degree who can now teach at Community Colleges and make a differenc in my community. Is that too much for the American taxpayer? I mean, we can spend $700 Billion to bail out a bunch of Wall Street assholes who never earned anything but money for themselves, can a vet get 12 months of this new GI Bill that I SHOULD be eligible for?
I don’t know, maybe I’m ranting just a bit. But I think I have a valid point! I’m going to take this up with my VFW service rep, maybe my congressman, and see if I can get any traction. Can the new GI Bill be extended for a year for a veteran who FINISHED school using Chapter 30? I think it’s worth asking, right? Aren’t we veterans worth the investment? Also, I think this GI Bill needs to be 48 months for EVERYBODY!!! Who the hell can finish school in three years? Hell, four years is cutting it close, it doesn’t give you any wiggle room to transfer, or to change majors, or to take a minor. Veterans shouldn’t just have access to an education, we should have access to the BEST education! I understand that the program only pays for public universities, and I’m all for that (the best schools in this country nowadays are public, IMHO), but why not fund a full FOUR YEARS of study at these top-flight public universities? As a nation, I think we need to look our veterans in the eye and mean when we say we believe they should have the BEST. As a vet, I can tell you that we don’t always get the best healthcare, but can we at least get the best education? Tell me what you think, America!
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I'm a veteran of the Marine Corps who served in Iraq in 2003, and I hold a BA in History from California State University, Long Beach. I currently reside in Fresno, CA, but I plan to move away next year to attend graduate school. My eventual goal is to earn a PhD, I'm most interested in 20th Century American urban history. I'm a fan of the Oakland Raiders, hip-hop music and culture, and good food. I also love intelligent conversations and discussions on a variety of topics, including politics, religion, sports, travel, music, etc.
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I totally agree with you. In fact, I am in almost the exact same situation myself. As soon as I EASed out of the Marine Corps in August 2006, I went to school. I’m slated to graduate in May 2009 with my BS of Computer Science degree, and am now looking at grad schools for an MBA. A few of my friends that got out the same time as me went back to work instead of school after getting out. Now, they are getting $1000′s more than I am, and I have about $5000 in student loan debt!
I really think they SHOULD pay off or forgive at least some of the student loan debt of military who collected on the old GI Bill, but had to take out student loans because the GI Bill didn’t cover the full amount of attending college.
Comment by Michael — December 16, 2008 @ 2:27 am
Hey thanks man I’ve been wondering if there’s any vets out there in my shoes that feel the way I do. I’m thinking of bringing the issue up to IAVA or if that fails, my congressman and senators.
Comment by qballvet — December 18, 2008 @ 9:46 pm
You have a valid argument here. I was thinking about the same exact thing few days ago. Some of my buddies hated school and they never went but rather they wanted to party for years off of that deployment money, but now they are thinking about going to school because they are still lazy to work and wanted to get the BAH. I worked my ass full time and went to school part time. I did not even went to a decent school because I had bills to pay. I still have 25 months of benefits left but I am not going to use it till 2009. Luckily, I can get my BS completed and MS completed with that. Now let me talk about the main topic here. I know it is not fair because this money is for people who went to battle since 911 and you guys need to get a pice of that pie. One thing also is that, they should just drop the prior GI we used all together because it doesn’t make sense, it just creates more complications. And the 54bl won’t even be affected by 0.1%. the money is already Authorized and 54bl is more enough money to go around to the little over a mill soldiers who went to Afganistan and Iraq. This bill punishes those who took life seriously after they came back from deployment. It is a shame
Comment by Jote Aga — January 3, 2009 @ 8:35 am
I agree but to a point.
Its simply not true to say that you can’t go to a UC school on the old GI-BILL. I’m doing all on my own and another friend of mine attends UC San Diego, both of us are using the old bill.
I’m a Veteran 6 yrs Navy, 4 years on-board Navy Guided Missile Cruiser CG-54 in San Diego.
I separated and attended junior college for two years then I transfered to UC Santa Cruz. The whole time I was drawing on the old bill of $1250 including the kicker.
This quarter Fall 08 I stopped the GI-Bill to preserve my last 10 months for the new Web Bill because it is better.
Even with out the GI-BILL I currently qualify for enough aid so that I only have to draw a $6000 subsidized loan per year to cover *EVERYTHING at UC Santa Cruz, for me state school was never considered an option.
Anyways the new BILL is better but it is possible to go to UCLA /UCSD / UCSC -whatever on the old GI-BILL.
Comment by Brian — January 5, 2009 @ 8:43 am
I never said you CANNOT go to those schools, but as you even said, you needed to take out loans to cover everything. With the new GI Bill, you wouldn’t have to take out a loan at all. And you could have gone to UCSC the whole four years with the new GI Bill, instead of going through the hassle of transferring from a JC. I just think it’s unfair to deny a better benefit to those of us who earned it but already got our lives together and used the old one.
Comment by qballvet — January 5, 2009 @ 10:05 am
I am currently in a similiar situation and had to get loans to pay for my tuition and used the gi bill to pay for rent since it was almost impossible to go to school full time and work. I agree with you 100% hopefully they will put those who fall in this category in cosideration!
Comment by shawn — January 26, 2009 @ 11:26 pm
Qballvet,
You made a passionate attempt to win over the hearts and minds of Americans all across the land. However, I disagree with you on your point of your loans being paid back by the taxpayer. The “wall street assholes” as you called them are being bailed out because if they are not the economy will sink even more than it is now. This could have catastrophic implications for this country. Your loans are really your problem and even if you chose to not pay them back at all and go into default, who would care besides the bank you owe the money too?
Unfortunately in your case, being proactive cost you tons of money. While that sucks…for you, look at it this way; you have a 4-5 year advantage in the job market over the people who will use the new GI Bill since you already have a degree in hand.
Lastly, instead of getting information from some ring-dink website, go directly to the VA’s site. You would see that YOU ARE ENTITLED to 12 more months under the new GI Bill. Which is funny because now you will get 48 months of benefits while others who use the new bill will only get 36. Somehow though, I suspect that you will find this to be an acceptable tradeoff.
Comment by Rich Aquino — May 30, 2009 @ 4:12 am
Well, The prayer of who ever started this discussion has been answered. They are extending the benefits by 12 more months for those who were under the old Gi bill. That works for me too. Congra!!
Comment by Jote Aga — June 10, 2009 @ 5:45 am
Hey, man.
It is set at 48 months of eligibility. We did get “screwed” because we didn’t slink around our hometowns boozing and wasting our lives, but at least we have good GPAs. I also think that at some point there will have to be some kind of loan forgiveness program for post 9/11 veterans like us.
Please don’t point fingers at guys who were not in combat. We’re all on the same team. I was Air Force and in Saudi Arabia during the initial buildup and invasion of Iraq and I definitely never got shot at or saw anything horrible. I do know what all that comm was for, though. And that doesn’t exactly make me feel good about myself.
Regardless, you get 12 more months, man. It’s not cool to see other people get more, but it might work out that we get those loans forgiven at some point, if enough of us make noise. I don’t want to get my hopes up about it, and I don’t want anyone to think I’ve read that information anywhere. I have not. But if in the end I have to pay off my student loans and I have a PhD (and more importantly a job with some security) then I’ll pay off the loans and hope the people who got more than me needed it more.
Comment by Brandon Jennings — August 4, 2009 @ 5:21 pm